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Megyn Kelly Talks Her 'Dark Year' Facing Off Against Trump
May 17 2016
Summary: Stephen Colbert talks with Megyn Kelly about her public clash with Donald Trump and why she chose to sit down with him for a televised “clear the air” interview alongside other guests. Kelly says the central focus is Trump’s temperament and sense of responsibility as a would-be leader, especially how his words affect women and marginalized groups, and whether he can show restraint given his influence. They also discuss Trump’s self-image as a “counterpuncher,” Kelly’s view of journalism as holding politicians accountable, and the personal toll and unexpected positives of the backlash she faced from his supporters.
00:00 Stephen Colbert Congratulations on the last year. 00:01 I mean, it's a huge year for you. 00:03 You're already a respected journalist, but you've become sort of a cultural icon of the last year, partly because of going head-to-head with Donald Trump. 00:13 Megyn Kelly Well, I don't know. 00:18 I think cultural icon bears with it a lot of responsibility, like, you know, paparazzi is going to start following me, and they're going to be very, very bored. 00:26 Really? 00:27 You don't have an exciting life? 00:28 Doug and I have already seen some of that. 00:30 And now we see pictures of ourselves going to Petco. 00:34 It's like we lead far too boring a life to bear that label. 00:38 Stephen Colbert Well, it was last August that you and Mr. Trump had a difference of opinion as to whether you were asking fair questions. 00:48 Megyn Kelly Yes, correct. 00:48 Stephen Colbert And now you're sitting down with him along with four other people, Laverne Cox, Michael Douglas, Robert Shapiro, in Megyn Kelly Presents. 00:57 Why'd you want to talk to him? 00:59 Megyn Kelly Well, I mean, that's obvious, right? 01:01 I mean, I feel like a lot of people in the country wanted to see that sit down. 01:05 And it had to happen at some point, right? 01:06 I mean, it's been such a crazy year with him that we had to have just one heart-to-heart, if you will, over what has happened. 01:15 And then we can move on. 01:16 Then I can have him hopefully back on the Kelly file from time to time, and we can have robust policy debates, just like I've had with all the other presidential candidates, except for Hillary Clinton, who refuses to come on. 01:25 But I'm counting on you, Hillary. 01:26 You're next. 01:27 SO THIS, TO ME, WAS A CHANCE TO SIT DOWN, CLEAR THE AIR, AND THE ONE THING THAT I REALLY WANTED TO TALK TO TRUMP ABOUT WAS TEMPERAMENT. 01:38 AND I THINK THAT'S THE THEME OF THE INTERVIEW YOU'RE GOING TO SEE TOMORROW NIGHT. 01:40 Stephen Colbert HIS TEMPERAMENT AS A LEADER. 01:43 Megyn Kelly Yes, as a leader and with respect to women and with respect to some extent to yours truly. 01:48 I mean, I have not wanted to make this about me, but I ask him about his conduct and about his responsibility now that he has gotten so powerful. 01:57 You know what I mean? 01:58 He steps away from the Oval Office, which is something I raised with him. 02:01 And whether he appreciates that and the effect that his words have on, forget me, on 02:08 large groups of people, you know, Mexicans and Muslims and, you know, when you have a microphone as big and as powerful as Trump's, whether you need to exercise more restraint. 02:20 And I'll leave it to the audience to figure out whether he gets that. 02:23 Stephen Colbert Well, we actually have a clip right here of him addressing that. 02:26 Megyn Kelly Most kids between the ages of 6 and 16 have been bullied at some point in their lives. 02:31 Were you ever bullied? 02:32 Donald Trump No, I wasn't. 02:33 But I have seen bullying, and bullying doesn't have to just be as a child. 02:37 I mean, I know people are bullied when they're 55 years old. 02:39 Megyn Kelly It can happen when you're 45. 02:41 Donald Trump It's, you know, it happens, right? 02:43 But you've got to get over it. 02:46 Fight back, do whatever you have to do. 02:47 I've been saying during this whole campaign that I'm a counterpuncher. 02:50 You understand that. 02:51 I'm responding. 02:53 Now, I then respond times maybe 10. 02:56 I don't know. 02:56 I mean, I respond pretty strongly. 02:58 But in just about all cases, I've been responding to what they did to me. 03:05 Stephen Colbert Do you think that's true? 03:06 Do you think that he only responds, he only counterpunches, or does he start? 03:11 Megyn Kelly I think it's complicated because I think he thought coming after me was a counterpunch against me. 03:16 But I would argue that as journalists, we are the counterpunchers. 03:20 The politicians get up there, they make their comments, they offer their policies or their characters to be assessed by the American people. 03:27 Then it's our job 03:29 to punch them a little bit. 03:30 I mean, we're really the only thing that stands between them and the Oval Office, so we have to ask tough questions, which, in my own view, doesn't make us fair game for, you know, a year of personal insults, but... Well, did his followers come after you, after the two of you were seen as adversaries? 03:49 Uh, I mean... 03:51 Yes, there's no question it's been a dark year in many ways. 03:55 But there's also been a lot of silver linings. 03:59 I think when you're tested like that, it shows you who you are and who your friends are. 04:05 And it's definitely brought my husband and me much closer together. 04:08 And so it hasn't been all bad.