00:03 JVL Hello, everyone. 00:04 This is JVL here with my best friend, Sarah Longwell, publisher of The Bulwark. 00:09 Today we are going to talk about all the new terrible things that our president is doing to America. 00:14 That's great. 00:15 We're going to talk about his terrible poll numbers. 00:18 Yay. 00:18 Yay. 00:20 Whatever the gif is that people do for yay. 00:24 I would like to talk then about your focus group that has been in Politico about how young Trump voters do not want them some J.D. 00:35 Vance. 00:37 A little bit of Jared Kushner's beautiful plan for the board of pieces plan really for Gaza. 00:44 And I'd really like to talk to all of those 00:48 Activists in Michigan who were convinced that they were helping Donald Trump help the Palestinian people. 00:55 But before we do any of that, Sarah, there has been some concern registered in many places about my appearance over the last couple of weeks. 01:09 Sarah Longwell What's wrong with you? 01:10 JVL I'm sorry. 01:11 Well, that's what people are asking. 01:12 People are like, is JVL okay? 01:15 He looks pretty rough. 01:16 And I'm sorry, the answer is yes. 01:18 I have looked pretty rough. 01:21 Just sort of where I am right now in life. 01:24 I've also had to tape from some remote locations, which don't have even the terrible lighting of my office. 01:32 And also it's winter and I haven't seen the sun since like October. 01:38 Sarah Longwell Yeah, this is a problem for me, too. 01:42 I mean, I am, the amount of concealer, I've got, like, my hair loses all of its blondness. 01:47 I become extremely pasty, almost translucent. 01:51 JVL And I don't put makeup on for these things. 01:53 So maybe I should. 01:54 I know, which is, by the way. 01:56 Maybe the answer is, Link, I should what? 01:57 Sarah Longwell Yeah, you should have to put makeup on because I'll tell you, the most annoying thing is when people are like, Sarah, why isn't Sarah just like, can't she get on in the next five minutes? 02:07 I'm like, if you guys are going to move me from PJ territory to regular territory, I got to do a whole thing to myself. 02:13 I didn't want it to be this way. 02:14 JVL You care about how you look. 02:15 See, I'm just like willing to let people take me as I am. 02:20 Sarah Longwell Okay. 02:20 JVL It's all me, baby. 02:22 Sarah Longwell Okay. 02:23 JVL It's all me. 02:23 Sarah Longwell The problem is you've lost too much weight and now everything shows on your face. 02:29 You got to keep the cheeks just a little, you got to keep a little in there, man. 02:33 JVL I know I want to be thinner. 02:36 I'm going to run over old gypsy women if I have to keep getting thinner. 02:42 Sarah Longwell I think you look beautiful. 02:44 JVL Thank you. 02:44 Sarah Longwell Perfect. 02:44 Just the way you are. 02:46 JVL God bless you. 02:48 Okay, so... 02:51 I think we hadn't talked about... 02:54 So we taped on Tuesday with Next Level and then Trump did his Greenland back out, which wasn't really a back out. 03:03 And I have also... 03:04 Sarah Longwell I've heard... 03:05 Wait, I've been reliably told that he's playing 10-dimensional chess on Greenland. 03:11 JVL Yes. 03:12 Yes. 03:12 It's the art of the deal. 03:14 It is the art of the deal. 03:15 It is unfortunate that... 03:17 He did the art of the deal like 48 hours after a bunch of other normie Republicans finally were like, yeah, no, I guess we do have to invade Greenland. 03:29 Like they pretended for 10 months that it was all a joke being used to trigger the libs. 03:35 And then they finally like, OK, I mean, I guess we have to say it's good now. 03:39 And then he pulled rug pulls them. 03:43 It's his best quality. 03:45 It is. 03:45 It is one of his best qualities. 03:46 Sarah Longwell It's one of his redeeming qualities, honestly, is that he makes fools out of all the people who go along with him. 03:52 JVL Boom. 03:53 So I have some thoughts about that and about the media coverage of Trump and Greenland. 03:59 I also have some thoughts about Minneapolis and what we're seeing there. 04:04 There's a general strike. 04:05 Well, not a general strike, but a strike being called in Minneapolis today, which seems like kind of a big deal. 04:10 That is not something that gets done in America. 04:13 like that is really not a thing that happens. 04:15 And that's a European thing because of the protections Europe has for, for workers that in America don't really exist. 04:21 Um, and, uh, and also DHS seems poised to go into Maine and, uh, seems to not be communicating at all with law enforcement in Maine or the governor of Maine. 04:36 And, uh, 04:38 I don't know. 04:39 I just have one little thing I'd like to read to you. 04:42 This is Governor Mills in Maine. 04:45 She says, look, Maine knows what good law enforcement looks like because our law enforcement are held to high professional standards. 04:51 They undergo substantial professional training and they are accountable to the law. 04:55 And I'll tell you this, they don't wear a mask to shield their identities. 04:59 They don't arrest people in order to fulfill a quota. 05:02 Great. 05:02 Love that. 05:04 If your plan is to come here to be provocative and to undermine the civil rights of Maine residents, do not be confused. 05:12 Those tactics are not welcome here. 05:15 To say that that's not welcome in Maine, that doesn't mean anything. 05:23 That's blather. 05:26 Sarah Longwell Yeah. 05:27 JVL Right? 05:27 Because you're the governor of Maine. 05:28 Sarah Longwell What do you want her to say? 05:29 What do you want her to say? 05:31 JVL I mean, she could say it's despicable and we're going to have local law enforcement mobilized to make sure that you people don't break the law. 05:39 You federal agents do not get allowed to break the law with impunity. 05:44 She could say that we will be under occupation if this happens. 05:50 And, you know, like nobody should have any illusions about what's going on. 05:55 But the pose of like, well, that's not welcome here. 05:59 That is trying to say, like, yeah, we'll push you out without, like, of course she's not going to push them out. 06:06 Otherwise she would say she's going to push them out. 06:08 You know what I mean? 06:10 Sarah Longwell Why are they going to Maine? 06:13 JVL Just to fuck Susan Collins. 06:15 Sarah Longwell Yeah, right. 06:15 I kind of love this. 06:17 Okay, so I not to make it like there's the political side of the story. 06:21 And then there's obviously the reality of ice going into places. 06:25 Nobody wants ice going into places. 06:27 That being said, Maine is like kind of the funniest place for them to go. 06:32 And also it's sort of like sending ice to like Alaska a little bit where you have just a bunch of libertarians, many of whom are armed and are like, what are you doing here, man? 06:44 And so, and also politically, this couldn't be more toxic for Susan Collins. 06:52 Like what she has to do then, Susan Collins, like Janet Mills was, 07:00 I'm not saying she she's like, come on in, big boys. 07:04 But I do think there's part of her that's like, I will stay. 07:07 I will say I'm opposed. 07:09 But it's not the worst if they come in here and create a big problem for Susan Collins, because then Collins has to make a choice. 07:16 Right. 07:16 She's got to go against pick a fight with Trump. 07:20 because people will be mad that ICE is in their state or she's got to defend ICE doing something wildly unpopular. 07:27 So it's either a break with Trump or like a break with her own state. 07:31 Either way, 07:33 good for democrats um and i gotta say though the the problem for on the democratic side will be it becomes a flashpoint the democratic primary and so you can see a world in which the statement that you just read from janet mills ends up paling in comparison with a graham platner 07:57 Henley wearing, I'm going out there to confront Dice, you know, I assume stylistically he would be quite different than that statement. 08:07 And I could see that playing. 08:11 In a Democratic primary. 08:13 JVL I could. 08:13 On the other hand, this does give Mills the opportunity to just butch up. 08:19 It does. 08:20 Sarah Longwell If she wants to. 08:21 JVL I mean, if she would like to simply butch up and show that, hey, it's nice to have a bunch of tats and to be an oyster farmer who was an edgelord on socials. 08:32 But if you hold power in the government, you can use that power to stop the people who are trying to hurt you and watch me do that. 08:41 Sarah Longwell Yeah. 08:42 JVL She could do Gavin Newsom. 08:44 Sarah Longwell She could. 08:44 I just... 08:46 This is... 08:47 I'm sure I'm overthinking this tactically. 08:50 Right. 08:50 I just... 08:52 I just am saying that if you... My guess is that she waits till ICE is there before she really butches up. 08:58 Yeah. 08:58 Because she wants to... As she should, probably. 09:03 Yeah. 09:03 I mean, and this is where... 09:04 This is where... 09:06 I don't know the answer to this question, but when you say, well, she's going to say, our police officers are going to be there to... 09:15 I do think the genuine thing that all of the people who are dealing with ICE, the calculation they are confronted with is not easy because they have to decide whether they escalate or de-escalate. 09:29 They understand that putting cops into the streets is... 09:34 contra ice um is escalatory even if they put police in the streets helping ice is you know or just like protecting people from ice or sort of you know standing with the protesters to keep things kind of separate all of that is escalatory essentially this is why people people are generally like don't send more people we don't want the national guard um so i mean you're not wrong on the other hand 10:02 JVL at this point, isn't escalatory helpful? 10:08 Sarah Longwell I don't know about that. 10:11 This is where, this is where you and I, yeah, I know. 10:14 I'm just, this is, this is where I am. 10:17 Um, 10:19 less willing to do kind of the accelerationism piece because that level of political violence can get out of hand very quickly. 10:33 JVL Oh, absolutely. 10:34 I will say this. 10:37 If one of the things you care about is increasing the community bonds between local law enforcement and the people, sending local law enforcement out to fuck with ICE, 10:49 is like the single best thing you could ever do. 10:52 The people of Lewiston will never forget that their local cops- I don't know about fuck with ICE. 10:59 Sarah Longwell I don't know about fuck with ICE. 11:00 I think that they should be out there saying- Enforce the law. 11:05 Yeah. 11:05 JVL Stop ICE from breaking the law. 11:06 Sarah Longwell Defending the citizens. 11:08 JVL Right. 11:09 I feel like that could have some really beneficial long-term consequences for communities. 11:14 Maybe. 11:15 I'm just thinking out loud. 11:16 Just trying to color outside the lines. 11:19 All right. 11:20 So did you have anything on Greenland in the final thing? 11:25 I wrote this thing yesterday. 11:26 All I do now is like yell into my keyboard. 11:30 I just sit there screaming at my keyboard for these newsletters. 11:33 Sure. 11:34 There is this thing where in America, people seem to be like, ah, great. 11:39 Trump taco'd. 11:41 everything's fine let's all get back to like it's just another trump crisis we're fine this is and i from everything i have read this does not seem to be the reaction in europe this seems to have been a permanent rupture in europe and they are going ahead and making alternate arrangements and the american people for the most part seem totally oblivious to this they are just like yeah greenland's done phew 12:05 We dodged a bullet there, you know? 12:07 Sarah Longwell Yeah, and look, I've been watching the right-wing influencer types, especially, and the worst ones, like the ones that are supposed to be semi-responsible, like an Eric Erickson, that come in and they're like, oh yeah, this is deal-making, you know? 12:21 JVL That's such a deal. 12:25 Sarah Longwell The thing that we gave away to get Trump's random deal that nobody wanted in the first place 12:34 was the entire globe's trust in who we are. 12:39 The, he did not like negotiating by saber rattling troops on the ground over a piece of land. 12:47 And also, I mean, look, we, I don't know if you've, I, have we been together since his Davos speech? 12:52 JVL Um, because, you know, Canada only lives because of the United States. 12:59 Sarah Longwell Yeah, but also just like the election was stolen. 13:02 They figured that out now. 13:04 We're the hottest country. 13:09 He is trying to make us all live in a parallel universe. 13:12 We are incredibly desensitized to, like we were focused on the new information because I was watching the coverage of the Davos speech and everybody was like, the news coming out of this speech is that we are not going to invade Greenland. 13:26 And I'm like, can you guys listen to yourselves for a second? 13:29 JVL It's insane. 13:30 Sarah Longwell We aren't paying attention to the fact that he is saying that the election was rigged against him and that now he has evidence of that and everybody knows it. 13:38 That's a lie. 13:39 Completely untrue. 13:40 JVL He said that America lived under an illegitimate government for four years. 13:44 Sarah Longwell I mean, it is. 13:45 And so everybody's like, and the news coming out of this is this fake thing that Donald Trump invented that, by the way, 13:54 We were told reliably from these same people who are now calling Trump a genius on it that he was never going to do any of this. 14:01 He never really cared about Greenland. 14:03 Like, this is just Trump. 14:04 It's a joke. 14:05 You guys can't take a joke. 14:07 You guys can't take a joke that Trump is saying he's going to run for a fourth term because it's a fourth term now, JBL. 14:14 I don't know if you've noticed this. 14:15 It's not a third term because he already. 14:16 JVL He already won his second. 14:18 He already won his second term. 14:20 That's right. 14:20 So this is I actually wrote a short thing about this for today. 14:23 There's this thing that the mainstream media does in America. 14:29 Not not everybody. 14:30 I'm just sort of generalizing where they treat the insane stuff that Trump is doing and saying as like, oh, this stuff is happening. 14:41 Is it real? 14:42 Is it not real? 14:43 We don't know. 14:44 And then he says one time. 14:47 Something not insane. 14:49 Like, you know, I could do Force, but I won't. 14:54 And everyone treats it as, well, he's ruled it out. 14:58 He has ruled it out. 14:59 He said this, these five words he just said are utterly binding and we can take it to the bank, right? 15:05 Like, so no matter how many times he says, you know, we're looking very strongly into running for a third term and I'm owed a third term and maybe I'll run for a third term. 15:16 He says once in one interview, no, I'm not going to do it. 15:19 Everyone's like, ah, he ruled it out. 15:21 He ruled it out. 15:22 Guys, we're all set now. 15:24 And they treat those statements as totally binding when they're not. 15:32 Why would they be, right? 15:34 If everything he does is art of the deal and negotiation and everything he says is only, you know, like he said, America must have complete and total control of Greenland. 15:45 And then 36 hours later, he was like, nevermind. 15:49 So none of his words have any meaning. 15:51 Right. 15:51 And so there is this, it's not quite sane washing because I think it's like a self-defense mechanism. 15:58 It is a self-defense mechanism. 15:58 I'm just wanting to think that everything is okay. 16:01 Sarah Longwell Well, that's part of it. 16:02 I do think, you know, people fight the last war and that almost never works out well. 16:08 But they've told themselves that by being hair on fire about Trump's lies, that they alienated viewers and that they lost credibility. 16:21 And so this idea that they have now is they're like, well, it didn't work. 16:26 when we, you know, screamed and yelled and said it was a threat to democracy. 16:30 And so I guess we're going to try and do it more subtly or just really focus on what Trump does and not what he says. 16:38 Which, by the way, is them playing to the refs on the right who have tried to beat them into a posture of, you guys are so, you know, you love to chase the bait of what Donald Trump says, but who cares what he says? 16:52 Just watch what he does. 16:53 They have moved the goalposts. 16:55 on the American presidency, where we are only supposed to take the president's actions into account and never his words, which is an insane proposition. 17:05 JVL Or to take his words only when the words sound normal. 17:09 And when they don't sound normal, then it's like, eh. 17:11 And to be clear, I'm not asking for everybody to be the bulwark. 17:14 But the responsible way to have covered that speech would have been to say... 17:20 Well, 72 hours ago, the president insisted that American national security absolutely required complete and total control of Greenland. 17:29 Now at Davos, you know, and after weeks of refusing to rule out military action at Davos, he said he could do military action but won't. 17:38 That's all. 17:39 You just have to frame it with a tiny bit of context. 17:42 You don't have to be a crazy person like me. 17:44 You don't have to have Trump derangement syndrome. 17:46 Anyway. 17:49 All of this is taking place in the context of some very bad polling from New York Times Sienna, which has been a very good polling on Trump for the last four years. 18:03 Sarah Longwell They are one of the best pollsters in the country. 18:05 JVL They have dialed in for about four years pretty accurately on the actual state of Trump's coalition and his approval. 18:16 Yes. 18:17 And you've, I mean, I just looked at the top line numbers. 18:21 You've actually spent real time looking at it. 18:23 Talk to me. 18:25 Give me hope. 18:27 Sarah Longwell Well, I mean, he is – so part of it is that I want to take the Siena New York Times poll and put it in the context of a CNN poll, Wall Street Journal poll, the YouGov poll. 18:37 Like there's just been – we're in – it was like the time for everybody to drop polls. 18:43 And the polling is enormously consistent. 18:47 And I want to tell you – I want to give you a bunch of good news, and then I'm going to give you one – 18:52 piece of bad news. 18:54 Well, I guess there's a couple pieces of bad news in here too. 18:58 The good news is this. 19:02 Just an overall net approval, Trump is minus 16. 19:06 So 56% of the country disapproves of Trump actively. 19:13 He's got a 40% approval rating. 19:16 And I find that... 19:20 So and Nate Silver's been doing the aggregate. 19:22 And so we have been seeing if you look at Trump's polling tends to go like kind of like down and then a little spike and then down. 19:30 But like the trend line is down. 19:33 But he has these bumps up in between usually when he's not doing something crazy or or something happens that people like that is sort of dominating the news cycle. 19:45 But we have the trend line has been entirely in the negative. 19:50 And in many cases, it's starting to get below where Trump was even in his first term. 19:57 Now, here's a I guess this is I guess this is sort of bad news. 20:02 But it is reality, which is Trump is also deeply underwater on a whole range of issues across polling, right? 20:12 He is well underwater on the economy. 20:16 And in this New York Times Siena poll, on the economy, he is minus 18 points. 20:22 So 58% disapprove and... 20:28 Sorry, yeah, this is the economy. 20:29 58% disapprove, 40% approve. 20:33 So he's got the same approval number. 20:36 But here's actually, wait, I'll wait. 20:39 I'm going to say on immigration, he is minus 17 points with basically the same thing. 20:47 58 approve or sorry, 58 disapprove, 40 approve. 20:52 But there's like a one point differential on the don't know. 20:57 But you're seeing, right, this 40 percent is kind of where he is until you get to the cost of living. 21:05 On the cost of living. 21:06 So the economy, people are going to look at the economy number and just take that one and be like, well, look, it's about the same as immigration. 21:13 You know, he's minus 18 points, minus 17 points, 40% approval on both. 21:17 But if you go to the cost of living, which is how people interact with the economy, he's at 34% approval and 64% disapproval. 21:31 That is a minus 29 on the cost of living. 21:36 That is super, like, that's bad. 21:39 And I think what is, when I see the cost of living at 34, and this was what I was talking about when I was saying bad news, that low number, the fact that Trump's approval number isn't in line with the cost of living number is both a problem and an opportunity. 21:58 Because what you want is for the 34% of people 22:03 who think that the economy is fine, okay? 22:07 All right, so those are the dead-enders on Trump. 22:11 You want to get there with Trump's overall approval rating. 22:14 Like, that's your kind of floor, I think. 22:16 You know, 32%, 34% is where I've always said those are the Bush line. 22:20 He is close on that. 22:21 On the Epstein files, he's also minus 44 points with 22% approving and 66% disapproving. 22:30 So his numbers have been bad across the board. 22:34 Some of the polls, some of the big polls have him much lower in the 30s. 22:40 But the New York Times Sienna poll is just, it's a very good poll. 22:42 They do a lot of, they are mixed modal where they both do straight calling on cell phones, but also, you know, they just, they mix their landlines, they mix their online quality or their boards, like they get it everybody. 22:58 You know, in terms of there's a massive enthusiasm gap that we're seeing in terms of who wants to vote. 23:05 Right. 23:06 So Democrats are this isn't in the Siena poll. 23:08 This is a different. 23:09 These are some of the different polls. 23:10 But the enthusiasm gap is really large. 23:13 Democrats are much more eager to vote than Republicans are. 23:16 JVL I saw a congressional ballot number the other day. 23:18 It blew my mind. 23:19 It was like plus 22 on the congressional ballot. 23:23 Sarah Longwell Was that right or is that wrong? 23:26 I don't think it's that big. 23:30 But there's certainly the generic ballot is starting to be like 47 for Democrats. 23:35 42 for Republicans. 23:37 And it has flipped recently. 23:39 It was like for a long time, it was in the red for, for the Republicans. 23:43 And now it's for the Democrats. 23:44 I just, the other thing, the time Santa poll also asked about the, about ice enforcement specifically, and he's at 36, 36% approve and 63% disapprove. 23:57 And the Nate Silver aggregator now has at 55% disapprove. 24:03 I think it's important to, 24:05 For the people who feel... 24:11 I don't want to say like you exactly, but people who feel despairingly, despairingly. 24:17 That's me. 24:17 Yeah, I know. 24:18 I know. 24:20 And I'm not trying to talk people out of elements of despair because it's really, really bad. 24:28 But the American people are not unresponsive to what's happening. 24:33 They do not approve of ICE. 24:36 JVL Yeah. 24:36 Well, 36% of them do. 24:40 Which is a problem. 24:41 I mean, that is more than a third of the country sees what ICE is doing and is like, yeah, that gets me horny. 24:49 That's a problem. 24:50 A third of the country wants a Gestapo? 24:53 Yikes. 24:54 Sarah Longwell I think that saying 36% approve is different from saying horny for. 25:00 They didn't ask that specific question about the level of arousal that ICE causes. 25:05 JVL If you could make love to ICE, would you? 25:09 Sarah Longwell I suspect that it's a lower number that actually... 25:14 JVL The actual horny for ICE number is not higher than 28%. 25:18 Don't worry, guys. 25:20 So just real quick on affordability. 25:24 It is worth noting that over the last week, Trump has talked incessantly about the price of gas. 25:31 Sarah Longwell Yeah. 25:32 JVL and interest rates because those are the two things where he has some power to monkey with prices right and uh this is part of like i think part of his idiotic venezuela thing is uh hey we can go down there and just like get a bunch more venezuelan oil onto the market now i think he's going to discover he can't really because their capacity like isn't their their processing capacity is not what he thinks it was um 26:03 But there are ways for the president of the United States to lower the price of gas artificially. 26:07 Like the president can do that. 26:09 He can just like start tapping the strategic reserve. 26:12 He has made it very clear. 26:13 Sarah Longwell But we don't know if he's doing that. 26:14 He's not doing that. 26:15 JVL No, we don't know that he's doing it. 26:16 But as you get closer to the election, right, if you want to blunt the affordability thing, Lord knows he does have some very good friends in the Middle East who I think could be persuaded for 12 weeks prior to the election to increase supply and lower prices a little bit. 26:32 Right. 26:32 That's the thing that he can do. 26:35 God knows the people in Qatar probably help him out there. 26:38 MBS, probably willing to help him out. 26:41 On interest rates, he's made very clear that his next Fed pick has a litmus test about aggressively slashing rates. 26:52 And so he can bring down the price of mortgages temporarily. 26:57 Yep. 26:58 So I don't know. 26:58 He has some tools at his disposal. 27:02 Will people, I mean, nothing else will really, that's not true, nothing else, right? 27:06 I mean, if you cut energy prices, that does reflect in like shipping costs and can lower grocery prices a little bit. 27:14 Again, these things are artificial. 27:16 Do you think people will be like tricked in that way? 27:20 Will they buy it? 27:21 Sarah Longwell It depends on how much. 27:22 I'm not sure. 27:24 Part of it, the big thing that would change the prices is tariffs coming off. 27:30 And he just keeps announcing more of those. 27:33 And so I'm not sure the marginal things he can do with gas prices and some of the other things would matter enough for people to feel it. 27:42 JVL The other thing is he can send checks. 27:44 Sarah Longwell He can. 27:44 And then he can watch the inflation numbers go up. 27:47 And that, to me, actually seems like a much more likely outcome, that he just strokes checks to the people he wants to stroke checks to and calls it a tariff dividend. 28:01 Right. 28:01 JVL Yeah. 28:02 It's great. 28:02 It's all great. 28:03 So, yeah, really interesting focus group from you going to, where was this story? 28:10 Was this the... 28:11 This is in Politico. 28:12 Bulwark. 28:13 Oh, it's in Politico. 28:14 You know, at least it's not in the Atlantic. 28:18 Jeff, I kid because I love. 28:21 Sarah Longwell You know what? 28:22 You took... Who was the focus group that you guys did a whole thing about? 28:27 It was like with the focus group from hell. 28:29 It wasn't one of my focus groups. 28:31 It was like the Manhattan Institute. 28:33 You don't ever talk about my focus groups. 28:35 You talk about the Manhattan Institute's focus groups. 28:37 JVL All the time. 28:39 Sarah Longwell Okay. 28:40 Here is what the story is about. 28:43 And I would caution people who, you don't want to take one focus group, okay? 28:49 This was of Gen Z men. 28:51 JVL Podcast bro type people. 28:52 Sarah Longwell Not really, they're just Gen Z men. 28:56 But yes, they were heavily informed by, but more like Ben Shapiro, but like a lot of Nick Fuentes, whatever. 29:05 You know who they don't like? 29:07 I love that. 29:07 They don't like J.D. 29:09 Vance. 29:10 And this is not just that. 29:11 My point is, is that what's interesting about this is these are supposed to be the people that J.D. 29:16 Vance does the best with. 29:18 And they were very lukewarm on him. 29:22 JVL Tell me their complaints. 29:24 Sarah Longwell Well, so this I let me just say first that as we have been talking to people across groups, J.D. 29:31 Vance is increasingly showing up with voters the way Ron DeSantis did, where he seems like a regular politician. 29:39 They just don't get a good vibe from him. 29:42 The thing that imprinted on women was the childless cat lady's comments. 29:48 And so you get in mixed groups where you get women with men. 29:51 There's like, there's one on the focus group pod this weekend where the woman is like, come on guys, does he not wig you out? 29:58 Doesn't he weird you out too? 29:59 Like this is a Trump voter talking to her like male Trump voting things. 30:03 And they're all like, yeah, like he's kind of weird. 30:06 Like anyway, Rizless. 30:09 But this, so we were like, okay, well we want to ask the Gen Z men because these guys are terminally online. 30:15 This is who J.D. 30:16 Vance thinks his people are. 30:17 And the biggest takeaway was that they didn't like him that much. 30:21 But the most interesting thing to me is, guess who more and more we are seeing come up as who they like instead? 30:33 JVL DeSantis? 30:35 Sarah Longwell Rubio. 30:39 I'm telling you. 30:41 It's like the strange new respect for Rubio. 30:44 And it's all these people saying... 30:46 You know, I didn't like him before. 30:49 Meaning the neocon normie Marco Rubio. 30:53 JVL That guy was no good. 30:55 Sarah Longwell That guy was no good. 30:56 But the MAGA makeover guy. 30:58 I like that guy. 31:00 JVL What is it they like about him? 31:01 Is he strong? 31:03 Is he... Because Rubio is also just a very... 31:05 I mean, he's a politician. 31:07 Sarah Longwell He is. 31:08 I think it's... You know what? 31:09 I'll tell you what I think it is. 31:11 I think it's one thing. 31:13 I think it is the meme... 31:15 of Rubio being like, Rubio is now the coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. 31:21 You know, Rubio is now the president of Greenland. 31:26 And like that meme reinforces sort of a semi-true thing about Rubio, which is he is the guy that everything is being given to. 31:35 Like he's the, he's the adult in the room that, 31:38 Uh, so he's a MAGA loyalist, but the adult in the room among the MAGA loyalists, um, because let's, let's face it, right? 31:46 Like you're Stephen Miller's, uh, JD Vance, like a lot of the cash Patel, like everybody hates these people now, like the Trump administration. 31:56 This was interesting about the New York Times piano poll, actually going back to it. 31:59 Um, but 32:00 You know, they were asking about Trump, not the Trump administration, because when you separate those two things, you know, people do not like Pam Bondi, like Pam Bondi is being thrown to the wolves. 32:11 And so the the longstanding relationship with Trump. 32:16 is just this thing that is pretty immovable, but they can, Trump always knows that he can hand people off to like, he can put the blame on Pam Bondi or he doesn't have to put the blame on Pam Bondi. 32:29 He can, he can say Pam Bondi is good, but the voters will, in order to do an end run around Trump, they'll blame Bondi. 32:36 Like that's why we can't see the Epstein files. 32:38 It's because of Pam Bondi. 32:40 That's why Dan Bongino got the hell out of there. 32:42 He knew he could never return to podcasting if he stayed in the FBI because people are so angry at him. 32:49 But I and so so nobody's coming out of the Trump second term with, you know, a star yet except for Rubio. 32:57 And also they see Rubio is basically. 33:01 There's a, I think, emergent theory around the way Trump does foreign policy that says, oh, no, look at Maduro. 33:12 We captured Maduro and put no boots on the ground. 33:15 We're going to get what we want out of Greenland without firing a single weapon. 33:19 And he's secretary of state, which is still a big job with some real heft behind it. 33:24 And so he's starting to get that MAGA establishment involved. 33:28 benefit he's gonna overthrow the regime in cuba by this summer which is by the way how marco rubio sleeps at night because that is for him a life's life's work it's worth every accommodation because that is something that matters a great deal to him um and i don't know i just to me you know this is one of those moments where for the longest time i've thought there's basically no pre-trump figure um 33:57 that the voters would go for but marco rubio if you think about him like a guy who's undergone like an entire like human transplant right like you just they took the old marco rubio and they stuffed a new mega one in and the voters are looking at him especially younger ones who don't remember him from the old days and saying i think he's better i like him i have a few thoughts okay first of all 34:26 JVL I would love nothing more than to see a Vance-Rubio civil war. 34:31 Yeah. 34:31 Because the two of those guys must absolutely detest each other. 34:36 And they do have very opposite worldviews. 34:40 I would like to see them go to war. 34:43 Secondly, if Rubio were to emerge as the heir of Trump, I'm not going to name their names. 34:53 But I think a huge number of our former friends would go rushing back to the Republican Party. 35:01 Sarah Longwell 100%. 35:02 I was having the same thought. 35:03 See? 35:04 JVL Everything's fine. 35:05 Yeah. 35:05 Everything's fine, guys. 35:08 Good old days are here again. 35:09 Don't pay attention to the last decade. 35:12 We're back to 2014. 35:14 Let's go. 35:15 And... 35:18 Again, I'm not going to prejudge it. 35:20 Maybe. 35:21 Sometimes people surprise me by being better than I expect. 35:26 I don't think so, though. 35:28 Sarah Longwell Not this time. 35:30 JVL Am I wrong about this? 35:31 Sarah Longwell No, I think you're 100% right. 35:34 The Rubio outcome is a little bit the worst case scenario for... 35:44 I don't know if I want to say us, but I sort of even feel like America in some ways or the Republican Party, because it gives people the sense of normality. 35:56 Yeah. 35:57 Without taking into account that Rubio is an entirely different person with an entirely different now set of both, I think, beliefs, but also actions for us to judge. 36:12 And I think our former friends will be like, because I was, if you asked me who my top choice was going in 2015, I would have said Rubio. 36:24 And... 36:26 I was always kind of like Rubio, Haley. 36:29 That was my bag back then. 36:32 I would never vote for Marco Rubio. 36:35 Marco Rubio has shown himself to be one of the most callow, cowardly, calculating individuals who has enabled everything that Trump has done. 36:50 But I do think people would take it as an opportunity to be like, see, we're back. 36:55 JVL A hundred percent. 36:56 The good news is that, uh, if Rubio looks like he's poised to do that, Tucker will run and Tucker will destroy him. 37:03 Sarah Longwell I don't think, I don't know. 37:04 I don't know about that. 37:05 I, I, but I, I think, I don't think it would be, uh, I think it'd be close. 37:10 I don't know. 37:11 JVL I don't, I don't think it would be close. 37:13 I think Tucker would absolutely massacre him. 37:16 Um, uh, 37:20 Wow. 37:21 Well, that's all just great. 37:22 Any other J.D. 37:24 Vance takeaways? 37:26 I guess the one thing to be positive from a Rubio victory would be the wrecking of J.D. 37:34 Vance's life. 37:36 And so it would be bad in many ways, but getting to see J.D. 37:41 Vance humiliated in public is not nothing. 37:47 I would take that. 37:50 I'm just looking for silver linings here. 37:51 Sarah Longwell Well, I would take Rubio over Vance in a Republican primary any day. 37:57 I think that Vance... Like, both of them are principle-less hacks. 38:04 I think that Vance... 38:06 is downright evil in his approach. 38:10 The extent to which... His lying on this stuff right now around ICE, the fact that he's the one in the administration who puts up his hands like, I'll go defend all the toxic stuff. 38:22 I want to. 38:23 Give it to me. 38:24 He is a teal-pilled, red-pilled... 38:27 I'm not sure... 38:29 I have always been very resistant to the notion that anybody is worse than Trump. 38:36 Like, I never bought the idea that DeSantis was worse than Trump. 38:39 He sucks. 38:40 He sucks super, super bad. 38:42 JVL But I was always like, Stephen Miller is worse than Trump. 38:44 Sarah Longwell And I'm not sure J.D. 38:46 Vance isn't worse than Trump. 38:49 JVL Just as a human being. 38:50 Yeah, I think that's probably right. 38:52 Well, I don't... Trump is at least kind of in on the joke, you know? 38:57 Sarah Longwell Which, which maybe, which maybe makes Trump more dangerous because I do think that, that Vance. 39:01 JVL Agreed. 39:02 More dangerous. 39:03 Again, we're, we're grading at such a fine scale of terrible here. 39:08 Yeah. 39:08 Sarah Longwell I just, I think that, that Vance is much easier to beat. 39:12 It would be easier to beat than Rubio would be to beat. 39:16 JVL Maybe, maybe, um, 39:20 Boy, it would be nice to see him humiliated, though. 39:22 Yeah. 39:22 I wouldn't say no to that. 39:24 Sarah Longwell Anything else from that? 39:25 No, but I do want to talk about, I want to talk, actually, if you don't mind, about this Minnesota, the Minneapolis, like where Trump shared the picture, the AI picture. 39:37 Oh, yeah. 39:39 Did you see this? 39:40 Mm-hmm. 39:41 Her name is Nikima Levy Armstrong. 39:46 She is a lawyer and former president of the Minneapolis NAACP. 39:53 Her husband said that more than 50 agents... 39:57 came to detain his wife after she had offered her surrender to the authorities. 40:05 You know, she's charged with conspiracy against rights, which make it illegal for two or more people to conspire to interfere with, injure, or intimidate someone in the free exercise of rights, da-da-da, which is, you know, they went into that church, which was wildly ill-advised. 40:20 They shouldn't have done it. 40:21 But they posted that. 40:23 First of all, they did an AI-generated picture of a perp walk with her, and then the White House took it further and changed her face to look like she was crying and weeping as she's being perp walked. 40:45 It's the White House. 40:46 The White House. 40:48 JVL The White House. 40:48 The President of the United States. 40:49 The President of all the people. 40:52 This is the same group of people who called the woman that their agents murdered a domestic terrorist. 41:01 Right? 41:01 It's the same. 41:04 Wow. 41:05 Sarah Longwell The deputy chief of staff in sharing the meme said yet again to the people who feel the need to reflexively defend perpetrators of heinous crimes in our country. 41:17 I share with you this message. 41:19 Enforcement of the law will continue. 41:20 The memes will continue. 41:22 Thank you for your attention to this matter. 41:25 It's not a meme. 41:27 It's not a meme. 41:28 It's a lie. 41:30 You digitally and with AI altered the circumstances of a person who is going into federal custody. 41:39 Propaganda. 41:40 JVL This is totalitarian shit. 41:42 Sarah Longwell This is very dark stuff. 41:49 JVL I wrote this yesterday that it really, I get very impatient with people who say, I mean, look, it's not actual fascism. 41:59 It's not actual fascism in most places yet, but for some people in some places in America, it is actual fascism. 42:12 It is, you know, children being abducted from schools and peaceful protesters being shot, right? 42:20 And, you know, people being dragged out of their houses, you know, in the freezing cold in their underwear and interrogated for an hour for no reason before being turned away. 42:32 Sarah Longwell For no reason other than they're Asian and people think they look like other people that they're trying to apprehend. 42:40 They're American citizens. 42:42 JVL That is what you would have seen in East Germany. 42:48 You know, it is exactly what you would have seen in Soviet Russia or, you know, during the darkest times under Mao. 42:58 That is actual, actual fascism. 43:03 Not everywhere yet, but these things don't descend as a curtain uniformly. 43:08 Sarah Longwell Right. 43:09 Not in a place as big as the United States either. 43:11 I mean, this is actually, in some ways, the bigness of the United States can be a little bit of a liability in that... 43:19 it can ha it can be happening drastically in places where like because people keep emailing us from minnesota being like you don't know what it's like here on the ground like it is deeply scary it's getting scarier all the time um and but like people in in alabama aren't feeling that you know i uh i don't like the people you know this not breaking news the way in which the people of chicago and minneapolis 43:49 JVL responded, the courage and ingenuity they showed, the initiative they have taken, and the willingness to put their lives and livelihoods on the line, utterly shames our nation's elites. 44:09 The people were just like, I gotta give Trump, I gotta settle that lawsuit with Trump. 44:15 I gotta go, Tim Cook, I'm gonna go over and I'm gonna hand him a hunk of gold. 44:22 These people who have everything and have every means to fight Trump, almost without exception, not only failed to do so, but went the other way and accommodated the regime, where normal people with nothing but whistles, 44:38 Or there are key fobs starting their car alarms with a lot to lose, including their lives. 44:47 Just self-organized and went out. 44:49 It really is astonishing and so inspiring. 44:56 And I wish Democratic politicians would take something from this, right? 45:04 I mean, I don't know. 45:05 Not... 45:06 Not all Democrats, right? 45:07 There have been a handful of Democratic politicians who've been, but a lot of Democratic electives have just acted like things are basically normal. 45:15 Again, not everybody, like we could point to individual cases. 45:18 You could say, oh, Chris Murphy's been really good and he has been, right? 45:22 Gavin Newsom's been pretty good and he has been. 45:24 But like your median population, 45:28 congressional Democrat has basically been like, yeah, Republicans are always terrible. 45:33 You know, it's just like it was under W and, you know, no real difference than, you know, it's normal times. 45:43 I wish they could look at the actual people. 45:45 It is almost, go ahead, say your line because I was setting you up for it. 45:49 Sarah Longwell It's almost like the people are the problem, but the people are also the solution. 45:56 JVL Isn't this what Homer Simpson famously said about beer? 46:01 You know, beer is both the cause of and solution to most of life's problems. 46:08 Same can be said of people. 46:10 Okay. 46:11 Can we talk a little bit about Jared Kushner's plan for Gaza? 46:15 Did you see this? 46:17 Sarah Longwell This is you, bro. 46:17 This is your hobby horse. 46:18 JVL So he gave a speech where from the Board of Peace, the new Board of Peace, which has a logo. 46:25 Have you seen the Board of Peace's logo? 46:27 Sarah Longwell No. 46:29 JVL It does look like Trump took the UN logo and did to it what he has done to the White House. 46:35 Sarah Longwell just like draped gold on it. 46:36 JVL Yes. 46:37 Sarah Longwell Yeah. 46:37 JVL Yeah. 46:38 Sarah Longwell Vomited, vomited some gold on it. 46:39 JVL That's, that's what it looks like. 46:42 Uh, so Jared, uh, 46:44 has gone and shown his plans for Gaza and the rebuilding of Gaza. 46:51 Gaza is going to be basically Dubai now. 46:56 He has these AI renderings of trees in gigantic, you know, multi-million dollar luxury high-rise apartments. 47:08 And it... 47:08 I mean, again, just... 47:13 It looks like Dubai. 47:14 And, you know, there's a lot of data center infrastructure in Gaza, a lot of... Why the fuck... 47:22 you would think, yeah, we should build warehouses to just hold computer servers in Gaza. 47:31 If the idea is like, well, we have coastline and coastline is valuable. 47:34 Again, it's just insane. 47:35 It's like AI is hot. 47:37 Let's just say we'll put some data centers in. 47:40 And unclear that there will be any place for actual Palestinians. 47:46 Sarah Longwell Right. 47:47 JVL In this new billionaire's playground. 47:52 Sarah Longwell Hey, you know what else was in the focus groups of these young Gen Z Trump voters? 47:57 JVL Tell me. 47:58 Sarah Longwell Real sympathy for the Palestinians. 48:01 And a real frustration with Israel. 48:06 JVL A frustration with? 48:08 That's an interesting way you put it. 48:10 Sarah Longwell You know, I got to say it was it was a mixed bag. 48:16 There were the I mean, I don't want to preview the entire focus group podcast, but there were people where you could tell it was coming from. 48:26 a place of love for people, uh, and concern for people's wellbeing. 48:30 And there were people you could tell who were like, yeah, I listened to a lot of Nick Fuentes and I don't think Israel should, you know, so there's, it was mix. 48:39 It was a mix. 48:39 JVL A little bit of both sides. 48:41 That's, uh, that's very interesting. 48:43 Well, I, uh, you know, I am very interested to see what our, uh, erstwhile democratic voters in, uh, Michigan think about their, what was the movement they, uh, 48:55 they did it was like the the undecided or the non-committed non-committed yeah because uh there was just gonna be no difference between kamala harris and donald trump it seems there might be a little difference maybe juice i i mean tiny difference can i get a tiny difference 49:16 Sarah Longwell Oh, for me, for me, you can get the, you can get a, you can get a real difference. 49:20 Yeah. 49:21 From them. 49:21 I don't know. 49:22 I'm interested in what they think now. 49:24 But similarly, I don't know, man, the, the, the need to double down. 49:29 I don't know why I feel the need to bring up Eric Erickson, maybe because he sits at the apex of what old school media still views as like the edge of MAGA respectability and, 49:45 And so I just find that important to demonstrate what a bad faith actor he is and how utterly without principles. 49:55 But after criticizing, and I saw like Jake Tapper, you know, when Erickson was criticizing Trump on Greenland and some of the World Order stuff. 50:04 Jake Tapper was like, see, Eric Erickson. 50:07 And of course, Eric Erickson then, because he got attention for criticizing Trump, wrote a whole other post about how, and I did not read the whole thing. 50:16 I did not subscribe to his sub stack, but he copied liberally from it about why he still supports Trump and how he would never have supported Kamala Harris and how much worse things would be. 50:31 So much worse. 50:34 that Democrats are worse and that they either had to stay neutral or vote for Trump. 50:43 I blame them the most. 50:44 I think in terms of who is some of the most responsible for Donald Trump, it is the people who buy into the fiction. 50:53 Their ability to do threat assessments are so poor 50:57 That they can look right now and be like, nope, if Kamala Harris, do you know what she would have done? 51:02 She might have raised taxes on people who make a lot of money. 51:06 And so we couldn't have had that. 51:08 We must destroy, even if I don't agree with the policies that Kamala Harris might have planned. 51:16 send troops into American streets not lower prices defy judges completely crater the rule of law like any of that like if that's your trade then you hate Democrats so much more than you love America and I think that is a I think that's gross I agree hard agree 51:47 JVL All right. 51:47 Well, do you have anything else for the day? 51:49 No, let's... No. 51:51 I'll tell you this. 51:52 I'm doing an AMA and Ask Me Anything today. 51:56 Sarah Longwell On Reddit again? 51:57 JVL No. 51:58 This time on the Bulwark. 52:01 I'm doing it in the comments section. 52:03 Okay. 52:04 So we posted it yesterday. 52:06 Said, you know, come over at one and ask me questions. 52:11 And, you know, if you want to get a head start, we can... 52:15 You can leave a question or two now if you just want to get a head start. 52:18 Sarah Longwell Oh, how many questions are there already? 52:20 JVL Hold on. 52:20 I'm going to pull this up right now, my friend, while we are sitting here. 52:25 All I'm saying is, like, I made a terrible mistake. 52:28 And I should not have done that. 52:31 I should not have told people that they could start. 52:33 We're up to 638 questions three hours before the AMA begins. 52:39 Sarah Longwell Did anybody look at them and go through them thematically? 52:41 They've got to be, like... 52:44 They've got to be themes, strands that you can weave together. 52:48 JVL I don't know. 52:49 I mean, I'm just going to do my best. 52:51 Like I can't do the whole, I do have this other project that I'm working on on the side that needs my attention. 52:57 Sarah Longwell I know. 52:57 So you're the one who decided to do it. 53:01 JVL I know. 53:02 I know. 53:03 Hey, I'm going to ask you a question. 53:04 You have a, you ever considered getting a pinball machine? 53:08 Sarah Longwell Yeah, I have. 53:10 JVL You have. 53:11 Tell me more. 53:13 Because I am this close. 53:15 Sarah Longwell Have I ever told you this about myself? 53:17 That one of the things, when I started to make grown-up money, I was in my mid-20s. 53:26 I just had my real job. 53:29 And I could afford to buy a few things outside of just paying my rent and food. 53:35 And I bought a refurbished Pac-Man table. 53:39 JVL The Ms. Pac-Man bar table, right? 53:42 Sarah Longwell The one that you would go to like the pizza parlor, right? 53:44 And you sit at it. 53:45 It's not the tall. 53:47 And because I thought girls would think that it made me adorable. 53:53 JVL I think boys would think that that makes you adorable. 53:56 Sarah Longwell I'm not sure that girls do. 53:58 Yeah, this is one of those things where I'm not sure. 54:00 JVL Is this a miscalculation? 54:01 I wasn't fully thought through. 54:01 Because you were new to the lesbian scene? 54:03 Sarah Longwell It was not fully thought through. 54:05 Because what happened is that I spent a lot of time by myself playing Galaga. 54:11 JVL Because I think a lot of boys being told they're like, hey, there's this girl who has her own arcade camera. 54:16 They're like, oh, that's awesome. 54:17 She sounds so great. 54:19 Well, this is why I was always- Not helpful for your project. 54:21 Sarah Longwell This was always why I was great at having boyfriends because we love to do the same stuff. 54:27 We love to hang out, play video games. 54:30 But you know who loves the Pac-Man table now? 54:33 My boys. 54:34 JVL Your boys. 54:35 Sarah Longwell Right? 54:35 And so I don't have to have them on all these new fangled things. 54:39 JVL You were just playing the long game. 54:40 You were playing the long game on this. 54:42 Sarah Longwell We're playing Donkey Kong down there. 54:45 It's the best. 54:47 JVL But you haven't done pinball. 54:49 Sarah Longwell So I haven't done pinball, but I do love a pinball machine. 54:52 I was just I was an arcade kid in the 80s. 54:56 JVL And anyone for the office. 54:58 Sarah Longwell Pinball for the office. 55:00 I haven't thought about that. 55:02 It makes a lot of noise, a pinball machine. 55:05 There's a lot of beeping. 55:09 JVL So. 55:11 When you own the pinball machine, you can turn the volume up and down. 55:14 Sarah Longwell Well, let me tell you what, you can't on the Pac-Man table because it is the loudest thing I've ever heard. 55:18 I have been trying for like a decade and a half to figure out, like I've had people come take the panel off, figure out how to make this thing quieter. 55:27 Can't be done. 55:28 JVL The newer pinball machines even have headphone jacks so that you can play. 55:35 Yeah, right? 55:37 I'll just say this. 55:39 If you are listening to this show and you know a little bit about pinball and have thoughts about what pinball machine I should purchase for myself and G Money, you have ideas about, I don't know, you're a distributor, you yourself are a pinball collector. 55:55 Talk to me in the comments. 55:57 or drop me an email because I would like to hear, I have just like, I'm now posting on pinball forums. 56:02 Sarah Longwell Well, I'm interested now too. 56:05 JVL This is going to be great. 56:06 We're going to wind up with matching pinball tables, like our matching Pelotons and our matching baseball. 56:10 Sarah Longwell I guarantee you we will use the pinball machine infinitely more than either of us use the Peloton. 56:16 All right. 56:17 JVL All right. 56:17 So are you ready to make a pact that we're going to do this? 56:20 We're going to get pinball machines? 56:23 Sarah Longwell Don't I'm sorry. 56:24 Has your wife approved this? 56:26 I'm not sure I get away. 56:27 Don't knock me out. 56:29 Don't you knock me out. 56:31 I don't think I can sneak a pinball table into the house. 56:34 JVL I think I think if if I am able to say this is a fun thing, Sarah and I are doing together. 56:39 That seals. 56:41 Sarah Longwell Stop using me with your wife as cover. 56:43 JVL She loves you. 56:45 I know. 56:45 She thinks you're great. 56:46 If it's your idea, she'll be like, pinball machine. 56:48 It's not my idea. 56:49 You know, actually, that's a really great idea. 56:51 Sarah Longwell No, she's going to text me, and I'm going to be like, this is him, man. 56:56 JVL Don't knock me out. 56:57 Sarah Longwell I like this, though. 56:58 I like this for you. 56:59 JVL Give me cover. 57:00 All right, great. 57:00 I'm thinking Godzilla Premium, possibly the Godzilla. 57:04 Do you like Godzilla? 57:05 Do your kids like Godzilla? 57:06 Sarah Longwell Not yet. 57:07 JVL Not yet. 57:08 Oh, God. 57:09 Sarah Longwell We're watching Marvel movies. 57:11 And I got to tell you. 57:12 JVL There's quite a number of Marvel pinball machines. 57:14 Sarah Longwell Some of these Marvel movies are interminable. 57:18 JVL Yeah. 57:19 Are you watching the bad ones, the recent ones? 57:21 Sarah Longwell Well, I watched, last weekend we watched Captain America Civil War. 57:26 JVL That's not a great one. 57:28 Sarah Longwell So bad. 57:30 JVL Winter Soldier. 57:31 Captain America Winter Soldier is one of the best Marvel movies. 57:34 Sarah Longwell I somehow missed the second one. 57:37 JVL The second one is quite good. 57:39 Sarah Longwell Yeah. 57:39 JVL Okay. 57:40 Yeah. 57:40 It's a Marvel movies. 57:42 It's been a bad like five years for Marvel. 57:45 Uh-huh. 57:45 Cinematically. 57:47 Sarah Longwell I've never enjoyed them, but they are a step up from what I used to be watching with. 57:51 JVL They're better than Paw Patrol. 57:53 Sarah Longwell Yeah, exactly. 57:53 And like we can watch them together. 57:58 JVL All right. 57:59 I will start sending you not. 58:01 I will say. 58:02 I can't buy you a pinball machine, although I would like to. 58:06 I would love nothing more. 58:08 Sarah Longwell Don't buy me a pinball machine. 58:09 JVL Oh, my God. 58:10 This is what I'm going to do. 58:11 I'm just going to have – I can buy you a pinball machine. 58:13 What am I saying? 58:14 I'm a grown-up. 58:14 I'm 50 years old. 58:15 I can do this. 58:16 You are 50 years old. 58:16 I'm going to have a pinball machine delivered to your house, and your wife will murder me. 58:20 Sarah Longwell No, absolutely not. 58:22 you're gonna turn you're gonna turn my wife against you the no the things that come to that i have to be like i don't know i didn't sanction it it's not i don't you don't even have to give it to the kids just it's jvl what can i do i'm trying to buy her love well this is not how you do it my friend all right happy snowstorm this weekend happy snowstorm to you how many we're looking at 17 inches how about you 58:48 By the time, I don't know, you're up, you're further north than we are. 58:52 We are somewhere in the like between, we're in that big band of like somewhere between six and 20. 58:59 You know, like it could be, could be big, could be small. 59:03 JVL I have gone through 300 pounds of salt so far this year. 59:11 Sarah Longwell Yeah. 59:11 JVL 300 pounds. 59:13 Sarah Longwell I don't know how that's possible. 59:16 I have gone through zero salt, personally. 59:19 JVL Well, I mean, we got a lot of sidewalk in my part of New York. 59:25 Of the Upper West Side. 59:28 So that's why. 59:29 I mean, I just like being a good neighbor and making sure the sidewalks were passable. 59:32 Sarah Longwell That's why I've been going through so much salt. 59:34 Yeah, in Alphabet City or whatever, sure. 59:37 JVL All right. 59:39 Soundbite Rebecca, take us home.